Sin, Prayer, & Spiritual Warfare - Tania

Subject: Sin, Prayer, & Spiritual Warfare

Postmarked: Vienna, Austria

She decided to pray for her wish list in a relationship, which was a guy on her birthday, from an island, so she could have love in her life.

 But the demons were listening, and she didn’t exactly get what she asked for.

In this episode, I am welcoming back my friend and previous guest Tania. And fair warning…we are getting pretty deep into religious philosophy today.

 If you are looking for a spooky ghost story, this probably isn’t the episode for you.

 But if you like exploring angels, demons, god, the devil, negative and positive energies, and how we navigate through and around them…stay tuned, because we are going to cover them all.

For full episodes and to share YOUR twisted tale, go to https://www.bethannecampbell.com/somethingweird

And remember… stay skeptical, but don't run TOWARDS the noise!

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

She decided to pray for her wish list in a relationship, which was a guy on her birthday from an island so she could have love in her life. But the demons were listening, and she didn't exactly get what she asked for. I'm Beth Ann Campbell, and this is Something Weird Happened Here. Welcome to Something Weird Happened Here, the podcast for people who love a twisted tale, but aren't afraid to poke at it a bit. We share stories that are postmarked peculiar and then explore the story with curiosity and an open mind. Stay tuned after the show to find out how to submit your strange saga, and maybe we or you will share it on air. Now let's get started, because no matter where you are in this mysterious world, something weird happened here. This tale is postmarked Vienna, Austria. Subject line: Sin, prayer, and spiritual warfare. In this episode, I'm welcoming back my friend and previous guest, Tanya. And fair warning, we are gonna get pretty deep into religious philosophy today. So if you're looking for a spooky ghost story, this probably isn't gonna be the episode for you. However, if you like exploring angels, demons, God, the devil, negative and positive energies, and how we navigate through and around them, stay tuned because we are gonna cover them all. Tanya, welcome to something weird happened here.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

I wanted to talk about a lot of things concerning spiritual warfare today.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

Okay, awesome. I'm gonna make a note because I know you had mentioned, um, first of all, welcome back. Um I know last time we talked, you had mentioned the um the dangers of prayer, neurodivergence, and spiritual warfare. Oh, I like this. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Yes, specifically, I wanted to talk about not only the dangers of prayer, but also how to detect if there is a demon, if there might be a demon, and what sin is exactly. So the definition of sin.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

Well, let's let's start with that. What it what is your definition of sin?

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Well, the thing is that most people think in categories, and that's actually not true. If you think in categories and say one thing is a sin and the other is not, then you are in black and white thinking, and that's the mistake. You should think in a spectrum, because the question about sin is sin is how far are you away from God? And that's the same as the observer. How how far are you away from the observer? So it's more about how far away from God are you? And do you come back? So do you see that that you went too far and that you should come back? That is the whole thing. So, for example, um, some people say it is evil or witchcraft to do candle magic. Now, everyone in the world, I'm sure, has done that before. Because each year on your birthday, you blow out a candle and you make a wish. That is candle magic by the book. That is what Christians call witchcraft. So tell me, are you really having doing a sin? Are you really far away from God? Are you far away from the observer if you do that or not? And then the next question is what is your intention? If you blow out the candle and your intention is, oh my god, I wish for all beings on earth to be free and happy and fed and housed, then you do candle magic for the good. So basically, you are you are not far away from God. If you blow out the candle and you wish for other people to be harmed, you wish for somebody to die, then you are very, very far away. So the question on sin is not is it a sin to do that or not? It is how far away from God are you, how far away from the observer are you, how far away from a good intention are you, and do you come back? Do you do you even realize that you are far away and that you should come back?

SPEAKER_03 4:11

It's really interesting. I I mean this could be like a whole big philosophical discussion on sin, but it's really interesting because um in a lot of countries, certainly where I live in the United States and probably in um in Austria as well, um what you say is exactly true. We don't have a law that says um you cannot kill, because in some instances in k killing um another person or you know, taking the life of another person, which in um in strict man-written biblical sense, like in a Christian Bible, it says, Thou shalt not kill. But if someone's attacking me and I self-defense kill that person, or you know, there are there are situations and the laws even reflect that. There are degrees of of murder, there are um some situations where you can take a life and not even do jail time. So it's really interesting that um, because I I happen to agree. Here's where it gets a little tricky, I think, for people. And I say this coming from a perspective of someone who has not rejected the idea of a source, a god, a power out there, but who has rejected religion in in most sense. And that is is that what if we if we define sin as how far you are from God, there are so many interpretations of God. That is the that is the that is this the tricky part. So if I'm a person who interprets God, if I look at if I look at the biblical God of Christian God, he's kind of a dick, if I'm being honest. He's not a nice person in many things in the Bible. So I'm not really not going very far from God. So how do we reconcile that, Tanya, if we have such different and and probably inaccurate, highly inaccurate um versions or visions or or ideas about what or who God is?

SPEAKER_00 6:09

So for me, God is the observer inside myself. I I am a part of God and God is part of me. Because the observer state, when you feel the observer state, and everyone who does long meditation can feel the observer state, what that is like. This observer state is pure peace, pure connection. There is you're you feel you're connected to all, you're connected to every single being, every leaf on every tree, every child, every grown-up person, every animal. You feel so connected. That feeling is is being or bathing in God to me. So the observer state, the loving observer to me is God. And I find this if I go inward, if I go into meditation, if I if I observe, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions, being all up in the mind, being all up in action, doing something, but rather just sit and watch and observe. That is where I find God. Other people find God in prayer, other people find God in something else, in reciting mantras. So there are many, many ways how you can do that. But for me, it is not like an outside person outside of me who is male or female and who dictates what is right and wrong. That is that is not how I see God. And the Bible is a bit controversial because I am sure it contains some big, big wisdom. Okay, so some big wisdom, but also honestly, um, it has not been it has not been uh done by Yeshua. Yeshua himself has long been gone when the Bible was even created, so it is not it is not something that has something to do with him. For me, that's two different things.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Yeah, God did not write the Bible. That's been yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

And here is Yeshua and what he said. Yeshua basically said, find God inside yourself. I did that, and you can do it too. Okay, that's basically the Yeshua's message for the world. And if you do that, you're close to God. If you if you stay in the observer, if you if you see what you're doing and you have the awareness about what you're doing, then you cannot harm others. You you it's automatically that you cannot harm others because you know you harm yourself. You cannot harm anyone else without taking away a piece of you. And and once you get that, you don't need a Bible anymore, you don't need anything anymore, you just know. Okay, you you it's it's just there, the knowledge is there, and that is God to me.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

Yeah, I and and and if I if everybody in the world um was as self-aware as you and me, yeah, I would feel we probably wouldn't need laws, right? Because, but um, but it is an interesting, it is an interesting thought, just um not that that's what we're necessarily here for, but the fact that there are people out there, a lot of them, millions, perhaps billions of people who think, well, God is um, God says it's okay to beat my wife or to um shoot up a a um a club full of people who happen to be gay, or right, and we know that um so it's it is very subjective, but uh those are not self-aware people not looking within. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

It's it's also there are many religious festivities where you slaughter animals in the masses um for this religious festivity. So it there there is a lot of uh problems with religion because religion to me is something else than spirituality.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

Yeah, yeah. Um, so well let's I guess let's take that a little further because one of the things we were gonna talk about is um the dangers of prayer. So let's first talk about prayer. Do you do you pray? Um, Tanya, can I ask that personal question?

SPEAKER_00 9:56

I have a prayer, but it is not like the typical prayer that somebody um who is very extremely Christian would say. My prayer, my daily prayer is more like um a definition of who I am right now. Um, it is more a definition of my intentions. So I have good intentions, both for myself and everybody else. I am protected, I am sovereign, I am the master of my own life. You know, it's more like a declaration of sovereignty and a declaration of being protected. I am highly protected in the spiritual realm. I am highly protected by my ancestors, they are here for me. So it's more like a declaration of who I am and what my intentions are for the day. Um, because if if you do prayer like a wish list, then you will find out that not only the angels and God are listening while you pray, but also the devil and the demons are listening while you pray. And you you don't do yourself a service if you open up and speak loudly. And I'm gonna tell you that from my own experience, okay? I a few years ago I wasn't so self-aware, and I did a prayer that was a typical wish list. I said, Um, dear God, send me a guy for my birthday from an island so that I have love in my life. And if you reduce that, you will only hear the words guy, birthday, island, and love. And now, guess what happened? Because I spoke that out loudly, okay? And I told you the demons listen. So for my next vacation over my birthday, I fly to a place to a nice place in Greece, and what happens to me? A person stands in front of me and starts talking to me. He says, his name is, and now listen, his name is Guy. He is from an island which is UK, and I meet him exactly on my birthday. So he stands in front of my face on my birthday. So, and basically he told me that that he loved me. Um, so basically, they they fulfill everything that is on your list, on your wish list, but the the whole thing is a trap. Because now you think at first, oh, that's that's what I ordered from God from the universe. That's so nice. God is giving me a gift, but oh boy, was I wrong. Oh no, that wasn't a gift, that was a honey trap sent to me by demons. And I don't know if you know what a honey trap is, but that is someone who is here to he was sent by demons to distract you from from your original what you should do in life, you know, from your purpose. So he tried to derail me. He tried to derail me from pull me away from God, basically. So I had my I had my learning lesson there. I first of all, I will never pray again in the form of a wish list. Two, I will never do that loud because the demons listen and they will immediately jump to giving you a honey trap.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Well, first of all, that's probably there are probably even worse, more egregious uh uh examples too that people have had of, you know, it, I mean, in your case, it wasn't it didn't turn out great, but you're alive, right? There are probably people who have prayed for something and you know, um it was very bad. So how so then how, you know, what does one do when one is, let's say, for example, this is very common, um, at least here in my world, where if someone is undergoing a hardship, you know, maybe someone died or they got in an accident or something's happening, then you will you will hear all of these people, um, thoughts and prayers. I'm sending, I'm praying for you, I'll pray for you. Well, I wouldn't want someone to pray for someone and then somehow, you know, bring in uh, you know, bad things. So how does one in those kinds of situations, is there a way to offer some sort of, you know, I'm I'm far away, I can't, I can't come and give you a hug, I can't, you know, support you. How does one protect themselves and and still offer those sentiments of I'm I'm speaking to this to source to God um and I'm wishing for you to have good things happen to you without attracting the the badness? Or do we just not do it?

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Most people who who have this intention, they they will not say that to you. They will just go and pray for you anyways, yeah, without your knowledge. And it is known from studies, we already know that when several people pray together, that this actually has a healing effect on that person. So that is absolutely clear, and it works the other way around as well. So if several people sit together and say we want this person to die, then this has a very negative effect on them. So these two things work because we live in an energy first reality. That is exactly what Nikola Tesla meant when he said, if you want to understand the universe, you gotta think about energy frequency and vibration, because this reality here is energy first. So intention first, um, 5D and 4D before 3D. So if my intentions are good, if my prayer is for the betterment of other people, then I create something good in the 3D, then this person can heal. But if I have negative intentions, if I put all the negative in there and the negative thoughts and the gossip, you know, oh, this person is evil, evil, we don't like them, we have to exclude them, we have to do something so that they go away. That is extreme forms of negativity, and that will have a negative effect on both sides, both the person that is gossiped about and the person who gossips. So, as I said, you can never hurt someone else without hurting yourself.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Yeah. And there's always a price. And honestly, if so, you you gave an example where you set sat down with good intentions to um sort of manifest, pray for this love, and it didn't turn out as as good. So I'm I guess I'm saying if a if people are sitting around um praying for, I'm praying for a successful surgery and that nothing, you know, because people tend to tend to think in the negative that because they'll they'll pray. I pray that nothing goes wrong in your surgery. I'll pray that you know nothing bad happens. I'll pray for you to come through through with it with no um trauma. Um and like you said, some of the words that get come out there are trauma, you know, bad happen, right? And so how how do we is it is it enough to have good intent?

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Well, there is a certain boundary line up until which we can work, and some things are out of our control. So the fact that the demons will always attack, especially if you have a very strong vibration, a very positive vibration, like Jesus or Mother Mary, or any anyone who was incarnating here and had a very positive energy, also like Siddhartha, Buddha. If you have that, demons will immediately find you, they see the light, and they will do everything they can to destroy you, you know. They they will send their their their whole entire uh army, and it will never stop until the end of your day. So that's something you cannot control. That's just normal, that's something that happens, yeah. But what we can do is um we can use our own manifestation um possibilities, which is our voice, the words we speak, the thoughts we think, the actions we do, and the emotions we feel. We can use all of that to create and manifest a better reality. So if I say, um, please, dear God and dear angels and dear ancestors, help this person who is in hospital now recover soon so that their heart gets very strong again and they can manifest for God so that they so that this person can be a functioning vessel for God to speak and act through this person again. There is no better thing that you can do. And even if the demons know exactly in what hospital that person lies, you know, and even if the demons sit next to their bed just like their angels do, you know, that will always be the case. The angels and demons will both sit at their bedside. But if I say, let this person become healthy so that they can become a vessel of God, someone who brings good into this world, there is nothing that is stronger than that. How can a demon be stronger than that? Because God will immediately listen and be like, oh yeah, I'm gonna put all of that positive energy in there because then I have another little soldier who works for me.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

I think that makes sense. Um, because it, you know, again, it it's very similar to um people who um, and I happen to be one of them who who believes in the manifestation, which is really just a flavor of prayer, right? You're really just but it's the same, it's similar to if I'm a person and maybe I got it, I got myself into an accident. If I continue to repeat, I don't want to die, I don't want to die, and I'm worried about it, I don't want to die, even though I'm saying I don't want to die, what's being projected out there is die, die, die. What I really should be doing is focusing my energy, my emotion, my words on I want to live, I want to be healthy, I want to be right. So it's it's it's this little semantic difference of, you know, what what are we saying? Are we saying something in the negative, even though technically as human logical beings, we know when I say I don't want to die, I mean I don't want to die, but I'm projecting death out there because I'm constantly thinking about dying and death versus focusing on I want to live, I want to be healthy, I want to, you know, be strong, like just like you said. So I think there's a um makes it makes a lot of sense in the context of how to better pray, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Well, in the situation that you described, like you have a car accident, then you are not so much in control of your nervous system or your thoughts because everything will go very, very fast. Your entire brain will go into the default mode, you know, just the very basic things, you know, the reptilian brain. Uh, so you will not be really able to probably think about what shall I think now, because things go extremely fast.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Yeah, and and probably, you know, um the the vision of a bad accident was probably a bad example, but there's a great example in the book, The Secret, about a woman who I believe she had she got breast cancer, and and it was pretty bad. But she decided that she was going to focus not on dying, not on the fact that her body was ravaged by this cancer. She was going to focus on positive. She watched funny movies, she would go out and laughed a lot, and she recovered. So I'm not saying, I mean, of course, you know, she also recovered because she was, you know, engaging in science and medicine on the and you know, probably first and foremost, but I do believe our attitude and how we present to the world, to the universe, does make a difference. So, yes, if I'm in a you know, a bad accident, but maybe I'm, you know, in her case where she had cancer and she wasn't, she wasn't, you know, about to die, but she was going to die. She, you know, per the statistics, per how bad it was. And she just made a decision that um, and maybe it was just a decision of even if I do die, I'm gonna die, you know, I'm gonna just enjoy life while I am at it. And that just that that decision. To enjoy life, you know, seem to make a lot of difference for her.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

That is exactly what I said before. If you are a very strong manifester, if you have that light, if you're super self-aware and you also know how to speak right, how to think right, how to act right, and you stay away from all of the negative things that pull you away from God. The more of this positive energy you have, the more the demons will attack. Because of course they do not like that at all. They don't like to see you happy and thriving and manifesting your best days, you know? That's basically that's basically the worst thing that they can imagine. Um, especially if you speak. If you speak about it, if you give that knowledge to others. That's the worst things for the demons. The demons go, oh my god, we immediately have to send everything we got to that person because he's basically telling them how to live comfortably and have a nice life and protect themselves against us. So that will always happen. And I always say um uh if you come to a next level, you get a new demon. You that's like in a in a computer game. You know, if you you're Super Mario, you you have level one, you're done with the first uh bad guys, and then you come to the second level, it gets harder. And that's the same in spiritual warfare. The the higher up we get, the the better we are at manifestation, the more happy we are, the more we speak about it, the more the demons will find their ways to attack. The good thing is that they only have a certain playbook, which is always repeating, it's always the same. And once you know you've seen the entire playbook, then you're like, okay, thank you. You you can smell it from a mile away.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

What what it what is a demon? Where does a demon come from?

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Basically, uh that that's not a personification, it's it's an energy, okay? So you can personify it if you want to give a picture. Then I I always like that little show. I don't know how it's called, but it's on Netflix. It's a show about a nun who can actually physically see the demons, and she sees them next to the person who the demon is attached to, and she, you know, you and that's kind of like how it is, you know. You you know exactly that there's something wrong. But for us who cannot see the demons with our physical 3D eyes, for us, it's our gut feeling. If we have a feeling that something is off, you know, there is a person sitting in front of you and they want to sell you something. Let's say it's they want to sell you uh uh health insurance, and you feel that there's something off with it, you don't know what it is, um, but they do certain things like they put you under pressure to sign and stuff like that, and you feel that there's something wrong with that. I think that person wants to, you know, pull me. How do you say that in English? They they want to pull one, pull me over, or how do you say that? Put one over on me, or yeah. Put one over on me, that's exactly the thing. So if you feel that, then probably it might, it might be. But it might be that there is a that there is a demon present who tells that person, give give her that very bad contract where she can never get out of, where she pays much too much, and she she will never get anything from that insurance, but your your um provision is high. So you never know if there is a demon next to them whispering something in their ear to to um really have a bad influence on you, letting you sign something that that is not good for you. And if you feel that gut feeling, then that's a very good sign that there is something wrong. So you better say then, listen, let me sleep one or two nights over it, and I'll come back to you in a week and let you know if if I sign that contract or not. Because you need to get distance between you and the demon first. Okay. And if after a week you still think that this contract is totally okay for you and you were mistaken about your bad feeling, then fine, then go sign it. But if you if you realize, hey, that that was actually right that I didn't sign that, because now that I'm reading these uh 100 pages that there are and the fine print, I can see that this is actually not a good product, you know. So sometimes you just need to distance yourself and you need more time, and and then you can define if if that if somebody something really saved you from that situation, because it's oftentimes that there is an angel next to us whispering, be careful, do not sign that, that's not good for you. And that's your you can feel it in your gut, and that's how the two are basically working against each other. It's it's really like in the movie Um Constantine.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

So it's really um it sounds like because you said it, you said at least part of it is internal, so it's almost like internal conflict with us that we are, but are we so is it external? Is like is a demon in an angel energy? Is that uh is it external, is it internal, or is it both?

SPEAKER_00 26:51

It's an energy that that tries to have an influence on you, and it does have an influence on you. So um they can they can basically manipulate, they can they can give you certain nudges. An angel will give you a nudge. Hey, even though you you walk this way every day, you better take the other street now. It's just better for you. Just go the other way, and you don't know why. You you just have a hunch that you better go the other way, and then in the next day you read in the paper, oh, somebody walked that way at the same exact same time and they got robbed or something. Yeah, so then you know my gut feeling, my gut feeling that could be an angel that actually gave you that gut feeling, okay? That actually took care that you are not there at this point in time. Um, and it's just the the same for the person that's the example person of somebody who sells um insurances. This person could do something good for others, but they also have the power to do something bad for others. And so the demons will go, like, oh, that's an excellent chance. I'll go there and and whisper in their ear to to be more evil and just to get the money, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Do but so I guess then my question again is do we know the origin of these energies? Is does it come from within? Is it manifested by people? Does it come from, you know, is it just always been there?

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Um the the that war of good and evil, I think I think it's an ongoing thing that on this plane is is always there because it is a possibility that people say, okay, I want to incarnate here because this is a perfect plane where these two uh you know, this this uh conflict is going on all the time, and me as a human, I'm exactly in between, and I can practice my discernment here very, very well. I can practice which which feeling do I listen to? Do I listen to that feeling or the other? So it's a super great school for discernment and for being mindful about your own thoughts, your own, your own uh words, your everything. So that is one reason why it makes sense that this is ongoing here. Of course, there are other theories. There are theories that this is a prison planet, blah, blah, blah. So we can we can talk about all of that. But definitely that's a fact that we live with all of our lives. We always, every day, we have the choice do I go with the negative energy or with the good?

SPEAKER_03 29:12

Yeah, that makes sense. I've heard a I've heard also people talk about, you know, one theory of that that there are um energies, call them souls if you want, that that come um places, not just uh our planet and our people, but that they like this this would be something that um Abraham Hicks would would say is they they like to come here because we do have so much contrast. And contrast and conflict helps us um, number one, it's how we learn and it's how we grow. So if we don't have that, you know, demonic negative energy, if everything's just all positive and good, we don't grow and we don't learn. When we have that I need to make a decision, or I made a bad decision and I need to recover it, or something bad happened, or something good happened, all of that contrast does help us to grow and learn, even just as human beings. And there's a theory that this is why souls like to come because because there's probably life on elsewhere in the universe. It's probably different, but there's probably life. But here we have evolved and we do have so much conflict and contrast that it helps souls and entities, as it does humans, determine what we what we don't want and what we do want to focus more on. Because if we don't have that contrast, we don't know. If everything's going great, then we don't know could it be better, right? We'd only know it's if it could be better if something comes in and tells us that it could be better, right? Where we recognize that it's not good. So it doesn't it makes sense. It's uh just fascinating. So do people you talked about this a little bit. So are there there must be people out there who consciously strategically use that negative spiritual energy for influence? Is that a true statement?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Oh, absolutely. Um, so you may not underestimate how many people, humans, help the negative side. They will even go as far as saying, if I sacrifice an animal or even a human, then I will be able to summon some kind of evil entity, and this evil entity I can basically hand them a wish list and they will do all of that for me. But that's not how it works. On this plane, you have karma, you have consequence, and they think they are above consequence. They actually think that they can avoid karma by some kind of trickery, but that never works because the devil always has a list of people that have signed his contract, and at some point in time he's gonna come to collect. Whether that's in this life or in the next, he's gonna come and collect. And you know, if if you do that, it's your own fault. You you basically um yeah, you basically ruin your own life with by doing that. So it's it's not just the life of others that you ruin by by doing something like that, but your own.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Yeah, I I I think of that in in a um as an example just in in reality, where you have, let's say, somebody who is um very, very um uh present and influential in their religious community, like a priest or some other person of authority, let's say a man who talks about the evils of um, you know, drag queens are bad and um trans people are bad and gay people are bad and all this, and then that person ends up getting arrested for being a pedophile. So it's that that kind of karma. I I would imagine there's probably also some inner, even because you know, people make decisions and and not everybody is strategically sitting down to try to harness the dark arts, they're just making bad decisions, sometimes for justifiable reasons, but um I imagine that the inner the inner conflict you know in that influence also is a part of that karma too, that we we have regret, we have remorse, we have um, you know, people sometimes take their own lives because they uh because of things that they've done um to other people and decisions that they've made.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

So But what they misunderstand is that they can always come home to God, you know, even if you did something absolutely horrible. Let's say you murdered a person because you were robbing a bank and you shot someone, yeah, and you went to jail and you came out of jail after maybe 30, 40 years, and God still loves you. God will still welcome you home if if you say I'm changing, I'm I'm not doing ugly things anymore, I'm actually doing good things for other people. So God is not such a you know, such a person who wants to um punish you. It's it's more the devil, you know. The devil comes to collect. The devil sees, oh, you murder someone. Very nice. I like that. Can you do a little more for me? And you know, then you know, he he gets you into this, into this whole thing. Yeah, the devil is the one who who gives you something negative, then it's not God, it's not God doing that. Yeah, so God will always open his arms to you, you know, even even if you did the worst thing, he he loves you so much. I say he, but you know, no gender, of course. So the this energy of God, this this wonderful loving goodness, this kindness always has their arms open for anyone who wants to come. But most of the very, very negative people, they say, I like the way I am, I like to be evil, I like to be the bad guy, I love to murder people. So these kind of people, you cannot change them. You you cannot bring them back to God because they like where they are, you know. So these kind of people, fine. They okay, God will say, Go and do whatever you want. I give you free will. Yeah. So, but if you want to come home, if you want to come back to God, there is always a way. You're never lost. Even if you did the worst thing, you are never lost if you truly change.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

It's it's really ironic that um that if you read, if you look at the Bible, it's almost like, which barely even mentions Satan, by the way, but this idea that we have of of the devil, it's really kind of reversed because in in a lot of the Bible, not all of it, but there's some some good um stuff in there too, but in a lot of it, God is very vengeful, punishing. And and there are there are uh millions and millions of people out there who believe that their God will punish a person merely for not believing in that God and send that person to the fires of hell. That's which I don't, you know, I don't I don't happen to believe in a physical hell, but there is probably an emotional hell, and there are, you know, there's a lot of nuances to it, but it's really um contrary to your description of God, which I love. I'd rather I want your dis I want your God. I don't want the biblical God. Um, because that makes more sense. It's free will. It's like I I'm it's like a like a parent. Uh you know, you're you're off, you're an adult now, you go off and do your thing, make your own decisions. I will be here and always love you, right? It's but I'm not gonna send you to hell just because you decide that you don't believe in me, or you know, you use the wrong word or you worship a different god. It's just it's really interesting. I I like your I like your vision better.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

God takes no pleasure in harming others. That's that's just not happening, okay? It's Satan takes pleasure in harming others, in putting them into hell fire, in in all of that, in torture. Satan takes pleasure in that. That's not God. And you know, if you Satan is smart, he's not a he's not a dumbass, okay? If you were Satan and you're smart, of course you would hide where nobody expects you. You would hide in the church, you would hide in the Bible. So you would maybe, you know, get your little spider fingers in there and just change a few little words so that they're sounding different to some people, you know. That that's the kind of ways the interpretation starts and all of that. That's where where Satan sneaks in. He's not dumb. Of course, he will hide where nobody expects him. That is how how it happens that you read in in the newspaper that there was a big scandal in some kind of church where a lot of children have been abused. Yeah, of course, because God says, Hey, that's a that's a good place where I can go and send all of my demons in and uh give let them talk in their ears what they shall do to the children. You know, that's that's perfectly perfect example. Yeah, yeah. Um, so you need to have your own discernment, practice your discernment. If if you read that it says somewhere, hey, God said you should uh kill your own child, then you should have the discernment to see. That's not God, that's Satan who said that. Okay, God tell you something like that.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

Um, so let's talk a little bit about um about I know this is near and dear to your heart, neurodivergence, and how does that play into the paranormal, into uh you know, energies, abilities? You kind of um the last time we talked, you sort of talked about you mentioned a little bit that maybe people who are um neurodivergent may have more abilities or attract or you know, just be able to pick up things differently. Um, so how does how does the neurodivergence play into the paranormal?

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Yeah, they say that what is called neurodivergent today in ancient times was called the seer, the shaman, the wise old woman, the witch, whatever. Yeah, you you name it, the magician, the sorcerer, blah, blah, blah. But actually, um, this is just a difference in terminology because I can either say a person is possessed by a demon and that therefore acting really wild, or I can say that person has a psycho psychiatric sickness. Yeah, so it's just I use different terminology for the same kind of behavior that I see. And that's the same for neurodivergence. Today we say that person is autistic or has ADHD, um, but in other times we might have called it something else. I mean, a Freud would have just said, Oh, you're hysterical, we sent you to a nut house by we we make severing in your brain, put the ice pick in your in your eye, and that's it then. So um that is kind of but it's the same kind of thing. If if a person in the in the you know, if you're neurodivergent, you will feel that the society rejects you, it doesn't like you. And that's the same as we see in the in the movie um Matrix, that the people start attacking him. And and he asks Morpheus, um, why do the people start attacking me? And Morpheus says to Neo, that's because they realize you're you're outside of the Matrix, you're not functioning like they do. And that's the same for a neurodivergent person, they will have this constant thing of being attacked. Why are you not like us? Why can't you be like us? Um, do this and that differently. Um, you shall adapt. And you over time you realize they project all of their shadow onto you. So whatever you do is wrong. If you speak, it's wrong. If you don't speak, it's also wrong. If you speak loudly and clearly, it's wrong. If you speak silently, it's wrong. So you will realize everything you do, everybody tells you it's wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And then you think, well, wait a moment. It's like being a woman. Um, yeah, most people have to reach the menopause. In if you're female, you need to reach menopause to actually see through all of that. Yeah. Because when you're young, you're really like, oh yes, I'll I'll do anything you say, I'll try to adapt, I'll try to be whoever you are, uh, whoever you want me to be. And then you start masking. You start masking, you try all of these things which which are actually not you, just to um to be perfect for the others, just because you want to hear once in your life, oh, you did good, oh you did well, oh, that is fine, you you're absolutely wonderful as you are, but you will never hear that. No matter how much you mask, no matter how much you do for because other people say it, it will lead nowhere. You will just get more hatred and more of the projections. And then one day you just say, Okay, I'll I'll just be myself. Because you you will start loving yourself, and then everything changes. When you start loving yourself, the other people who want to project negativity onto you have no more anchor to put that projection in. You know, there is nothing where they can there is nothing to to plug or pull from you because you're just basically like a fortress. Yeah, this fortress of self-love. Okay, you love yourself first because you know that only if you love yourself first, you can love others. Even I mean, only if your cup, your own cup is full, you can pour into the cup of others. So that needs to be first. And when you reach that point, things start to change for the better. Because then you have your discernment. You know when somebody tells you BS, you know when when somebody has uh that demon whispering in their ear, and you can you can feel that. You feel like, oh, I know that, I've seen that before.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

It's really interesting not to not to get into discussion about menopause, but as an old, as an aging person, you know, who's been been there, it's really interesting when you said that how when I was younger, even though I was I was strong and I was confident and I was not a pushover, but if somebody had, you know, like a uh this would happen all the time. I would be out walking, and then a car full of young men would come out and they would yell out, um, you know, fatso, or um you're an elephant, or why don't you lose some weight? And it would, it would cripple me. Like I knew that they were just idiots, but it would cripple me. And now if somebody were to be like, you're fat, I'm like, ooh, tell me something I don't know. Yes, I am, and I'm amazing too. So, you know, it's just it's it's really an interesting um mindset. I don't know why. Is that it? What is why is that is do women who go through menopause just um they just get better at stronger at fighting the demonic energy or why?

SPEAKER_00 43:25

It's just um well on on the on the mental side, it surely is that the more time you spend in earth earth school, the more lessons you have done. It's like in the game of Super Mario, you're you're leveled up, and at a certain level, you can take the the who is the evil guy in in the latest Mario game. I don't know, maybe Wario or or some kind of dragon or some kind of demon. You can you can you've seen them all because you've done the game so many rounds. So you're basically like level 5,000, and and then somebody else comes in and you're you're just like Very funny. So I have a similar example of what you said, because somebody at work once said to me, Tanya, you're ugly. And I said, Have you watched into the mirror lately? Because you are bald, you're small, and you are a bit round about the hip, you know? So I mean, if somebody, if a supermodel is coming along telling me that I'm ugly, I say, okay, compared to you, compared to that guy.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

You all, I think you also too recognize, just like you said, you've we've been schooled and and but there is something that happens when we get past, I think past that point where we're we're focused on, you know, what am I supposed to do? I'm a young woman. Do I have a family? Do I not? Do I work? Do I not? You know, um do I need to find a man or a woman, depending on what, you know, and then you get to a point where you just don't, you have no fucks left to give. And I think it's just, um, you know, you just you have you have had that schooling where you just know, I know that you said that because you're insecure and weak. And and you know, if you're even more aware, you you might say, you know, I know that you're just something's whispering in your ear and you're not strong enough to resist it, and that's why you say something. And we just go, you know, okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Just so it's also uh letting go of the matrix programming because the matrix programming is is very visible in that movie They Live. Have you seen the movie They Live?

SPEAKER_03 45:32

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

No, he has these glasses on and off, and every time he puts on the glasses, he can see what the matrix programming is. So when he puts on the glasses, he sees obey, work a nine to five, procreate, find a husband, find a wife, you know. So, and when he takes the glasses off, he's like, What is this? What what are these strange glasses? So he puts them on again, and then he sees everywhere where the matrix is programming you. And when we get into menopause, the programming basically loses its its hold over us, it loses its power over us, and then all suddenly we see, hey, actually, I you know, many, many people, that's something horrible actually. They they marry and have children without even really wanting it, they just do it because you know the neighbors have to, yeah. And just imagine how the children suffer when your parents only had you because somebody said it's just necessary, it's just what you do, you know. That's very different from somebody who says, I really want a child because I want to see them grow up and see them be happy and I want to nourish them and teach them. You know, that is a very different energy to have. Um, so that that is where the matrix programming loses its power. And of course, we are very, very that's a vulnerable face. The first 40 years of a woman's life are super vulnerable. That's why they fire with everything they can. So, you know, all the Disney movies where the princess uh gets married and then she's happily ever after, that's telling you procreate, get children, yeah, get a husband. You know, that's the matrix programming.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Somebody needs to do a Disney movie for menopausal women, that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Like well, well, the the you have to be careful that it's not just the next trap because every time they do something like this, it's the next trap. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

I I'm I'm being sort of facetious, but but you do, if you do, it's really interesting. If you think about Disney movies, the women who are um who are powerful and older are also evil, and I think that is strategic maybe, but certainly subconscious for the problem mostly men who have written these stories of it's the young, beautiful woman, and uh you sometimes she's strong and that's great and she's smart, but the evil is uh usually someone older and often a woman.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

Well, the father of public relations and also of propaganda is Edward Bernays, and his offspring was the original founder of Netflix. So predictive programming is absolutely logical. But as you get more aware, you can say, Hey, I can watch these movies with my awareness, with my discernment. I can look at the symbolism, I can look at what they do, the hand gestures, uh, who is doing what, which roles do they play. And then I can not only see the programming, yeah, like Matrix see Neo sees the code, you know, the green code, but I can also use it to understand what's expecting me. So the good thing about predictive programming is for us, I can see what's coming. Okay. So that's also good. You can use it for the good if you if you can read uh the programming.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

I think also the one of the good things is is as we evolve as a as a human race, we have people that are now looking back at some of those characters, and we are starting they're they're building stories to so we can understand them in a more current mindset of why they are. So I'm I'm currently re-watching the TV series Once Upon a Time, which was very big here in the United States. I think it was on ABC, but it revolves around uh um storybook characters, the evil queen with Snow White and Maleficent. But now we have backstories where they're in modern times and we understand uh the good people aren't always good, and sometimes the bad people uh have reasons why they became what they were, and it's um so I think that's good. I think it's really interesting to just explore pe explore the stereotypes in a new way sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

A wonderful example here. Maleficent, the new movie with Angelina Jolie is a very good example that you can always change your mind because I mean she's stealing that child from their parents, which is very evil, you know, kidnapping a child, but then she actually gives that child everything she got. She gives it a wonderful home, somebody to care for her. Um, she gives her the kingdom that she's reigning over. So basically, she gives her all the good things. So even if you did the worst, if you if you change and if you um um if you come back to God, if you do something good for others, you you can um basically come back to God and be a part of of the good side again. So you're never really lost unless you want it. If you decide I want to be a Satanist, I want to do horrible things all day, then okay, then you're lost.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Well, in defense of the Satanists, the Satanists are basically atheists and they don't so but yes, the the people who would um who would channel um you know uh negativity and and dark energy. So yeah. Well, awesome. Tanya, uh, once again, an amazing, engaging discussion with you. Thank you so much for joining me. And again, just as usual, we went down roads that I really didn't even anticipate, which I love. Um, so thank you.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

Right. Nothing here is real.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

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